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We are about to release to general public new feature - Artifact Market.
This market will allow players to trade arts for Enkord Cash among each other in a safe and convenient way. You will be able to buy, sell, browse items, do private deals and auctions. Time of cheating sellers are over.
Today we've added Artifact Market for admins to test. Within this week it will be available to all players of level 20 or higher for extensive testing and afterwards to the general public. Stay tuned.
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I understand your situation. Any chance of having a small amount of Enkord available for purchase with credit card? Then maybe more people will purchase.
That's not possible cause credit card fees are too big to gave small amount available. For small amounts better use SMS.
Another good advice is to wait until you want to charge some cash for yourself and then by some item.
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lololololol
😡 THIS GAME WANT CASH FOR ALL we need to pay for magic market 😡😡
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Nadchodzi Rynek Artefaktów
Chcielibyśmy przedstawić nową opcję dla wszystkich - Rynek Artefaktów.
Ta opcja pozwala graczom wymianę artefaktów pomiędzy sobą za Enkord Cash w bezpieczny sposób. Będziesz w stanie kupować, sprzedawać, przeglądać oraz wystawiać prywatne aukcje. Czas Cheaterów przy sprzedawaniu artefaktów minął.
Dzisiaj dodalismy Rynek Artefaktów do testu dla adminów. W ciągu tygodnia będzie dostępny dla wszystkich graczy poziomu 20 lub wyżej do intensywnych testów. Bądźcie zorientowani.
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nice update i can`t wait to get to test it
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Because this is the only way we can track money and prevent frauds. If we allow transfering cash from account this will lead to people charging with stolen credit card and then spreading cash all over the world thus makeing it impossible to revert and punish. With current option only 2 people are involved - seller and buyer, so when chargeback comes we know that one of those two people is guilty thus we block only their accounts.
I am not absolutely pleased about this situation, but we don't have much choice. It must be like it is or no market at all.
Block the account of the seller as well ? I see your point here because
a dummy buyer can use stolen credit card and thus making money for the
seller. but suppose this happens , just take the money back from the seller
and warn him. Think of what a respected paying client of this game would
feel like if he tries to sell an art and gets account blocked because
of something he has no control on. how can testefy on the integrety
of the players that buy my arts ? this is WRONG!
Suppose I've sold and art for 50,000 EC and some fraudulent payment has
been received , do you really expect me to pay now 50,000 to remove the
account lock ?
Edited 1 hour, 8 minutes later by SMELLICT.
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Great!!!
I already read the Market's rule and I agreed with SMEL.Chance to ''fake'' or ''wash money'' with stolen creadit card by Art Market is very low %,to happen.Better should we just ban the buyer and take back cash of seller then warning him.There are many ppl will come to market to sell their Arts,cause they need cash,so it's hard for them to pay for unban in case that they're victims(without exception some of them are very good and old players with long contribute for this game)
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stupid uptate ... just losed time and cant use that magic ...
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Stolen Credit Card
I agree. There is no way for me (the seller) to know of the other person (the buyer) uses a stolen credit card (or someone's card without permission for that matter, such as a parent's card).
Best remedy:
--- Ban the person who uses stolen property
--- Recover the art
--- Take back the cash (or what is left of it).
If I was locked out because of some person's misuse of credit card... honestly because it makes no sense at all, I probably would not bother and just walk away.
To lock the recipient's account is to offend that person. It tells the person he or she is not trusted when in fact I (the seller) don't know the buyer to begin with! lol. This market does not allow for us to check the credentials of people before they buy. We don't know who owns what and who is buying what.
My 2 cents worth,
-ranger01
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good
good update good finly cash 😁 😎
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I already read the Market's rule and I agreed with SMEL.Chance to ''fake'' or ''wash money'' with stolen creadit card by Art Market is very low %,to happen.
Who are you to make such statements? Do you have data about how much chargebacks and frauds going on in GUNROX? I do. And that's why we have that option in place.
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Suppose I've sold and art for 50,000 EC and some fraudulent payment has
been received , do you really expect me to pay now 50,000 to remove the
account lock ?
If you don't like this rule, just don't sell items on the artifact market, it's that simple. Don't you agree that with all it's drawbacks art market is still better than selling arts for money like it was before using gift option?
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To lock the recipient's account is to offend that person. It tells the person he or she is not trusted when in fact I (the seller) don't know the buyer to begin with! lol. This market does not allow for us to check the credentials of people before they buy. We don't know who owns what and who is buying what.
Probably it's been a while since you singed contact with bank, or with insurance agency, or clicked "accept" on some random sowftware agreement or online terms of service... All of them have lenghy contracts with a lot of clauses that might be not so firendly, but you usually just sign it or click "I agree" checkbox without reading through.
Current case with chargebacks is about the same. They are not frequent and 99% of people won't experience them, but we have to warn people and we did it in clear and honest way, not in form of tiny clause hidden in the piles of legal text. That's why we have this thread.
And to repeat myself again - if you feel bad about it - pretend new market won't allow you to sell items - just use it to buy stuff and you will be safe.
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what you do whit it😕
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ok
Lol. I understand.
Actually, I've experienced the use of fraudulent cards being used to purchase items from my company in the past.
>>>>> It's simple Bers:
>>>>>> credit cards assume that liability with the insurance they buy to protect themselves and the client.
Never. I repeat, NEVER, does a merchant get SHUT DOWN or BANNED by an authority or locked out as a result of receiving stolen cash, purchase order, credit cards, etc. At least not in the United States. However, if the government---in this case you or some other official in Gunrox---can prove that both the purchaser and seller corroborated such a scam, then yes... by all means... penalize them both! ... to the severest! But don't assume that of all people. Your policy makes such a bold statement by threatening to ban both seller and buyer.
Listen, I won't pretend anything (although it was cute of you to suggest such a naive approach) and assume anything. I'm not your average user simply on the basis of age, income, and maybe even educational status.
I'm simply clear: if my account is banned because some procurer bought my art(s), I will walk away, finito. Why? I spend hundreds of dollars a month on this game and for a petty (how much,... $20) amount I will have to pay tribute for the wrongful act of another person.
No way. Not in a free and democratic society.
Until such a crazy thing happens, I will enjoy the time I spend in this game...
Cheers!
-ranger01
Btw, it hasn't been a while since I've signed legal documents, lol, I do that on a regular basis.
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Never. I repeat, NEVER, does a merchant get SHUT DOWN or BANNED by an authority or locked out as a result of receiving stolen cash, purchase order, credit cards, etc. At least not in the United States. However, if the government---in this case you or some other official in Gunrox---can prove that both the purchaser and seller corroborated such a scam, then yes... by all means... penalize them both! ... to the severest!
First of all we cannot punish scammers to the severest, be can only lock account. And second - we are a small company and don't have big staff that will be able to review all fraud cases to investigate and determine who is guilty and who's not in each case, and it's not that easy to find out.
That's why we put condition in bold. If you accept it - be prepared that it could happen. If you accept it but does not mean to and when it happens you decide to quit the game - it's your choice. You've been warned but you put yourself above the rules.
I am grateful that you spend a lot of cash in the game, this supports GUNROX and makes it running and updating, but that generousity will not make you stand above other players or above general rules that is meant to everyone.
To sum up: we've made an Artifact Market. we've stated the rules of using it. If you wan't to use it fully, you must accept the rules. If you don't accept the rules - don't use market. Thanks for understanding.
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WHY DONT YOU ALL SHUT UP?Enkord is doing a amazing eford right here to make something illegall legall and AMAZING...And all you just hate it...You - the people who did buy or and sell arts are now compleining...So ssssst...And try to be nice and polite...
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Great work indeed
Thanks Bers. I agree.
And I do appreciate all that you and your team are doing ☺
Just the fact that you allow people to freely post on provide comment is awesome.
Keep up the great work.
-ranger01
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WHY DONT YOU ALL SHUT UP?Enkord is doing a amazing eford right here to make something illegall legall and AMAZING...And all you just hate it...You - the people who did buy or and sell arts are now compleining...So ssssst...And try to be nice and polite...
i see you dont understand the fact mentioned and discussen above of selling/buying paragraph, open your eyes, you can also be victim or already you are 😲
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Hmm i read all the suggestions and because translations i internalize the rules completely.
I have fear too for trading with some scammers. For example a player wants quit gunrox and buy different arts and pay all of them with stolen creditcard. Many honest accounts could be banned just because of this.
I dont know the respites of charging back or possible charged back.
But what you think about a differnt kind of ecash?
If you charge with creditcard or banktransfer you got this ammount of unsave ecash. You just can use this amout of "unsave" e-cash for buying at cashshop. Maybe you just can buy weapons (sometimes you want this fast after your e-cash-order) but no features like clans or something like this. After problems of payment your account will be banned.
But after the respites of creditcards or banktransfers are over, your "unsave" ecash becomes "normal" ecash. Now you know completely nothing could be wrong with this ecash. You can use it for trading at artefact-market or at cashshop.
You only can pay at artefact market if you have "save/normal" e-cash. The seller got your e-cash. And its save for him too. So there are no additional orders for arts wanted. If you want to buy an art fast you must use a save way of order for all.
Im not sure but for example payment per sms is really save cash for all. After payment per sms this kind of order can't be canceled. I believe such payment-problems just should happens with creditcard or banktranfers but after 3-4 weeks (or how long you want) this ammount should be save for all too.
Thats just a idea because i know there are some player who lose there accounts just because some scammers. Thats sad for this players and for you too. At end just the scammers are happy now. Maybe such a way of "save" ecash helps us all.
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But after the respites of creditcards or banktransfers are over, your "unsave" ecash becomes "normal" ecash. Now you know completely nothing could be wrong with this ecash. You can use it for trading at artefact-market or at cashshop.
Fraudulent payments may come up after 6 months or even more.
I must admit that using stolen credit card to pay for goods is a serious crime and one can end up in jail easily, thus it's not something that can be used widely. Also if someone plans to revert their payments after leaving the game this is not too easy. Banks are not happy about such cases and your credit history will definitely suffer, so really not wise thing to do.
On the other side, refunds and chargebacks are there and we must react, or otherwise scammers will be motivated to do their thing, hence the warning. I do realise it may lead to problems with some players, but so it was with gift transactions back in the days - some bad moments, but nothing dramatical.
I cannot stress this hard enough - if you are afraid, don't sell arts
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